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Hi, I'm researching my ex-husband's family and am interested in finding any information on descendents of Joseph Hughes (born in Hereford) and Annie Smith (born in Belper, Derbys). I have little detail to date beyond an excerpt from a journal written by one of their sons (Joseph Hughes - born 25 March 1883). Joseph Hughes (Senior) worked at the Theatre Royal in Edinburgh in the late 1880s - early 1890s, moving to Nottingham in 1895 where he worked for the Bill Posting Company at the Theatre Royal as a poster writer and subsequently toured around Great Britain with plays such as 'Lady Stacey' and 'Span of Life'. The children of Joseph and Annie Smith are as follows: Frank (died 1880) Nellie - born 1881 Joseph - born 25 March 1883 Harry - born 1886 Albert - born 1888 Charlie - (my ex husband's grandfather) - born 1890 Sally - born 1892 Kitty - born 1894 (died as an infant - buried in Nottingham Cemetry) Tommy - (probably named Thomas) born 1895. The children spent some of their childhood living in Cottage Homes after Joseph and Annie separated. The childrens homes were in Radford, Nottingham; Lazackerley (?); Boys Working Home, Wesley or Wesleyan. Annie set up home in Ashton-Under Lyne while Joseph was still travelling with the theatre company until the family unit eventually broke up and the children were sent to live with relatives in Manchester or to one of the childrens' homes. I have a little more information but won't overload the message board with it.. If you have any information or think you may be descendant from the same family i'd love to hear from you. Thanks in advance Kath

Hi Kath I have just been searching the web as I have just started on the ancestry journey. I came across your question from 2006. Based on previous research my brother has done and the details you have provided. It would seem that I am the grandson of Albert Hughes and great grandson of Joseph Hughes. Where we differ is that Joseph was actually born in Edinburgh if it is indeed the same ancestor! I have just embarked on the journey. Happy to share information if you are indeed still on the site! Kind Regards Graham Hughes

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Ancestry's transcriptions of 1881 and 1891 censuses say that Joseph senior was born in Liverpool:

Joseph Hughes
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name Joseph Hughes
Age 37
Estimated Birth Year abt 1854
Relationship Head
Spouse's Name Annie Hughes
Gender Male
Where born Liverpool, Lancashire
Registration Number 685/2
Registration district St Andrew
Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County Midlothian
Address 4 Little King Street
Occupation Advertising Agent
ED 51
Household schedule number 103
Line 1
Roll CSSCT1891_342
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Hughes 37 Head
Annie Hughes 32 Wife
Nellie Hughes 9 Daur (Daughter)
Joseph Hughes 8 Son
Harry Hughes 7 Son
Albert Hughes 5 Son
Charles Hughes 3 Son
Thomas Hughes 8 Mos
William McKay 28 Lodger
Alfred S Kidson 24 Lodger
John Simpson 26 Lodger
William S Ross 22 Lodger



Joseph Hughes
in the 1881 England Census
Name Joseph Hughes
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year abt 1855
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Annie Hughes
Gender Male
Where born Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Derby St Werburgh
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Street Address 239 Abbey St
Marital Status Married
Occupation Bill Poster
Registration district Derby
ED, institution, or vessel 39
Neighbors
Piece 3401
Folio 16
Page number 26
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Hughes 26 Head
Annie Hughes 21 Wife
Francis Hughes Son 7 months


Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
HUGHES Francis William 0 Derby 7b 293

FMP transcribers see 1891 differently - image can be viewed on SP - at a price

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Little King Street, St Cuthbert, St Andrew, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Joseph Hughes Head Married Male 37 1854 Advertising agent Liberton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie Hughes Wife Married Female 32 1859 - -
Nellie Hughes Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Hughes Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar England
Harry Hughes Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Albert Hughes Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Midlothian, Scotland
Charles Hughes Son - Male 3 1888 - Midlothian, Scotland
Thomas Hughes - - Male 0 1891 - Midlothian, Scotland

Only one Joseph Hughes birth with MMN Smith in 1883

HUGHES, JOSEPH SMITH
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 436

???

HUGHES, FRANCIS WILLIAM SMITH
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 477

Marriage

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Hughes
Birth year 1854
Age 25
Spouse's first name Annie
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse's name as transcribed Smith Annie
Marriage year 1879
Father's name Peter Hughes
Marriage date 10 Dec 1879
Father's occupation Insurance Agent
Marital status Widow(er)****************************************************
By banns or licence Banns
Occupation Bill poster
Signed Signed
Residence Nottingham Road
Witnesses William Turner/Harriett Grimley
Denomination Anglican
Record set Derbyshire Marriages
Dedication St Paul
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

HUGHES
ALBERT FREDERIC
SMITH
M
1886
685 / 2 / 373
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

HUGHES
CHARLES
SMITH
M
1888
685 / 2 / 124
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

HUGHES
THOMAS WILLIAM
SMITH
M
1890
685 / 2 / 847
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

HUGHES
SARAH
SMITH
F
1892
685 / 2 / 1095
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

HUGHES, HARRY SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 196

HUGHES, NELLIE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 376

Purely for INFO

??Lazackerley, will be Fazackerley - a district of Liverpool

Re Joseph senior's birthplace as transcribed by FMP -

Liberton is in Midlothian, not Lanarkshire.
It's a suburb of Edinburgh nowadays.

SP's not letting me log in at the moment, so I can't check the 1891 original.

However, there's no sign of Joseph with father Peter , an insurance agent (per Joseph & Annie's marriage cert) in Scotland in 1861 or 1871.
Nor in England or Wales either, for that matter, as far as I can see.


ADDED:
Have now checked the 1891 census original, and it definitely says "Lancashire, Liverpool" for Joseph senior's birthplace.

Annie: Belper, Derbyshire.
Nellie and Harry - Manchester.
Joseph junior - Sheffield
Albert, Charles and Thomas - Edinburgh.